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Kathryn Kellinger's avatar

This took me back. Read it in HS, a time of dueling bibles, the Preppy Handbook or this one, (pre-meme). Very much enjoyed your current day insights.

Hmm, no math....LR or C&C? My kids are forever math addled!

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apollinaire scherr's avatar

Were they dueling? I remember both books from HS, too. And as far as I was concerned, preppy and JAP were basically the same category. What strikes me about the excerpts Emma shared is: it's all about class. Class all the way down. And heteronormativity. I had some butch Jewish friends in HS (this in 1980-do we say 'butch" anymore?), and I never would have confused them with "JAPS," though their "daddys" were doctors and they were upper middle class

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Frankie de la Cretaz's avatar

“At the very core of the female born J.A.P. aesthetic are two guiding principles: 1) I am terrific; 2) Daddy will pay.”

This one line just summed up everything about my (Jewish) mother’s ethos, and the one she tried to instill in me—and the reason I’m ultimately estranged from my natal family. Whew.

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Emma Copley Eisenberg's avatar

oof <3

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Emily Van Duyne's avatar

Man. I am not Jewish but I grew up in a very Ashkenazi-Jewish area and went to school with many Jewish students (many of whom were/are my good friends). This... resonated with me a lot.

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jaysen's avatar

i feel the exact same about my kobo! i got it in winter, right around the time i was recovering from surgery, and it has been the perfect companion....the shift is funny because i used to be a "physical books only" person.

great and insightful post!! i was familiar with the term (and actually think i've heard of this book!) because i grew up in Forest Hills (in queens, not the j.cole one.)

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Marissa Korbel's avatar

This was a thoughtful take, per usual!

I remember JAP being a sort of loving insider term. (I think I had a shirt as a little kid that said “JAP in training”). Was very shocked to learn in high school that it was also a racist slur! (Used against japanese people) and I think that freaked me out of JAP culture so badly I never reengaged.

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Emma Copley Eisenberg's avatar

Very fair

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Isabelle Chirls's avatar

Emma, thank you for this post!

I'm thinking about Sam Cohen's Sarahland (thank you for assigning it :)) and displays of wealth as self-preservation and safety for many white Ashkenazi Jews: "I sort of understood [these purses] had something to do with the Holocaust. ... Granddaughters could send pictures of themselves standing in a row of flat-ironed and haltered girls, each with a Prada bag, and their bubbes would feel, 'these girls were so safe.'"

I'm also thinking about Rabbi Elliot Kukla's 10/7/24 essay "I Come from Holocaust Survivors. They’re Why I’m Demanding a Ceasefire": "For much of my community, the suffering of the Jewish past ignites empathy for Palestinian losses today, leading us to protest for a ceasefire, and an arms embargo of Israel. For others, the Holocaust has exactly the opposite meaning, and is used to justify escalating Israeli violence in order to bolster a Jewish sense of safety."

I think all of the above must fall somewhere on Sequoia's JAP/non-JAP chart.

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Emma Copley Eisenberg's avatar

yup yup YUP to all of this! It absolutely must and does. I would suspect that wealthy jews who have dealt with more of their assimilation fear and are in solidarity with Palestine would be "not JAP" by Sequoia's assessment and Zionism is inherently JAP

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Isabel Kaplan's avatar

Fascinating piece! Would love to think and read more about the concept of the “revisionist JAP” and what that looks like today…

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Emma Copley Eisenberg's avatar

I know! That part really killed me

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Mara Gordon, MD's avatar

I feel very seen.

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Paulina Jones-Torregrosa's avatar

Hi Emma! I'm just curious -- what did you think about Catalina? I liked Cornejo Villavicencio's first book, but I couldn't stay with Catalina's narrative voice for long. It felt a little one-note to me as the narrator repeatedly insisted that she could outsmart everyone around her. I think I'm in the minority here about the novel -- I think it has lots of fans!

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Emma Copley Eisenberg's avatar

I really liked it! The voice felt unexpected and strange in a good way to me, a veneer of strength with a fragility underneath it

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Caroline's avatar

Irish Americans have this only its “lace curtain” (fancy, educated, socioeconomically mobile) versus “shanty” (crass, working class). I think it’s interesting how authenticity is litigated across categories, though. There’s a disparaging implication to being lace curtain because you’d necessarily be pretending to be WASPy and above the rest of us, etc

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diandra stithe's avatar

There is a special brand of entitlement reserved for people who "make it out". It exists across all spectrums and is insidious and dangerous.

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